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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Dec 4, 2006 10:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: 1983 - trying to broaden my horizons

As some people here know I rank 82-86 as my least favorite years. It has seemed obvious to me for a long time that 83 is considered a favorite of many. I've only heard a handful of shows, anyone want to chime in with some examples of why they think this year is so great? Streaming 4-16-83 right now. So far so good.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Dec 4, 2006 11:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1983 - trying to broaden my horizons

Thanks for responding. I'll keep checking these out. One great thing I love about this band is when you get turned on out of nowhere you know? Kinda like flipping channels and getting stuck watching something you normally wouldn't have then loving it - only way better of course.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Dec 4, 2006 11:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1983 - trying to broaden my horizons

Thanks for asking the question, Johnny - I have no 1983 in my collection, so I'll gratefully latch on to some of the answers you got!

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Dec 4, 2006 7:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1983 - trying to broaden my horizons

I've always liked 83...alot actually...yeah, Jerry was a stinky loner, chasing the dragon and eating chili dogs back in his hotel room, but 83 has some real rockers...

Garcia and Weir definitely had more "metallic' tones than the rounder more acoustic sounds of '82 (funny how these 2 years differ so much in sound)...

Anyhew, the shows...

03-25-1983 Tempe just cue up the first Help Slip Frank in 6 years...crowd loves it and they play it in the pocket...

04-20-1983 Providence R.I. for a great first set Cumberland and China Rider and one of the classic early 80s Eyes of the World in the second set...Jerry blazes through some darker licks in space...Dew is good not as good as 06-18-1983 for a relative comparison...Throwing Stones is a very good version and has a nice jam...

04-25-1983 Philly not the best sounding tape but a great Terrapin and a ridiculos Goin' Down the Road...

05-15-1983 Greek Theatre decent first set...kick ass second set...Help Slip Frank is my favorite version of '83...Samson rocks...He's Gone, Truckin good...the Stella Blue is simply one of the best version out there...a classic...

06-18-1983 Saratoga check out the available second set...no sbd out there but has magical set list...very strong energetic performance, Garcia and Co kick out the jams through Scarlet Fire, Playin, excellent Morning Dew...

06-20-1983 Merriweather Post decent first set, but second set is a classic case of Dead playing with the weather as lightening hits the stage a couple of times but none more prominent than during Wharf Rat...an awesome Wharf Rat...Sugar magnolia features Weir being Weir and rapping about Aborigines and dreams...a sweet Baby Blue encores

8-20/8-21-1983--Frost Stadium together as a twin this stand has some killer stand alon tunes like Let It Grow and Bird Song...s sleeper run...

10-11-1983 we all know about St. Stephen but the Bird Song and the China Rider are top notch

10-15-1983 -- my favorite show of 1983 one of the best first sets of the 80s, best first set of 83 without a doubt (Feel Like a Stranger, Dire Wolf , Big Railroad Blues, Let It Grow to name 4 are silly good and Garcia is just cracklin')..second set features a wonderful China Rider (loses by a hair to 10-11), classic Playin...China Doll...St. Stephen is the best one of 83...it's all good...nice board of it here to stream...http://www.archive.org/details/gd83-10-15.sbd.harrell.7313.sbeok.shnf








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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Dec 4, 2006 7:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1983 - trying to broaden my horizons

" stinky loner" that's funny. Well not in reality but in it's truthfulness. Thanks a lot for all the thought you put into this. I'll be streaming 83 all this week at work. Who knows? I might just be downloading all ( or some at least )of you folks' recomendations too.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Dec 4, 2006 7:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1983 - trying to broaden my horizons

i've got about 5 of them on the hd johnny - i'll check them out for quality (they are all lossless) and maybe send you the ones you may want - i'll let you know which ones they are during the week.


now that strat chimed in and jogged my memory cells im pretty sure i got 10/11 and 10/15 - i'll sift through the stack

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Dec 4, 2006 8:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1983 - trying to broaden my horizons

Cool! I got a bunch on my wish list ahead of 83 though - 10/31/91 for one.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Dec 4, 2006 8:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1983 - trying to broaden my horizons

got that -

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Dec 4, 2006 2:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1983 - trying to broaden my horizons

let me add Hartford 10-15 as well. Overlooked because of the DP 10-14 but a good show, and not just because of the St Stephen.

There is also a Greek theatre show that has a Shakedown in the second set and some interesting moments along with a bertha first set closer. Can't think of the date

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Poster: BryanE Date: Dec 4, 2006 2:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1983 - trying to broaden my horizons

Man, I hope those years weren't as bad for you as 2005 was for me. But you're talkin' Dead shows, right? '82-'84 weren't too bad, if you ask me. Did anybody ask me? Probably not, but I'm welcome to my own opinion, and I did see some really good shows in those years. Thing is, I think those were the last years before Jerry started becoming really obese and lethargic and the years following were more and more of a struggle for the poor guy. There was the big bounce-back that lead to the out-of-the-freakin'-blue-top-10-success of Touch of Grey and In The Dark around '87 or so, but his problems became harder and harder to overcome after, what? Brent's death?

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Dec 4, 2006 4:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1983 - trying to broaden my horizons

That stinks that 2005 wasn't good for you. Maybe 2007 will be? Hope so.

Yeah 83 is sounding certainly a lot better than I remembered but it still doesn't make me put it at the top of what I consider to be their best. Compared to the next three years it's certainly better. I can find something good in just about every year but it's hard not to hear their sound just disintigrating 84-86. I think they got VERY strong with the comeback. There's some great solid playing 87-88 and it came to a great peak imo 89-91. Was just listening to Alpine Valley 7-9 ( I think ) 89 on the ride in today. Killer Sugaree and I'm saving the West LA for the ride home. They were on fire! Some of the most shredding strong kick ass sound they ever had. Not the power of 69 but very powerful in it's own way.

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Poster: TJ1027 Date: Dec 4, 2006 6:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1983 - trying to broaden my horizons

The constant touring to meet payroll seemed to wear the band out by the late 80s. Garcia didn't seem like he was enjoying himself most of the time. Quite a few nights were Weir seemed to be carrying the show. I've always had a soft spot for Jerry's work with David Grisman and the JGB - side projects which I sense he really did enjoy wherever in Northern California I saw him play live.

Great looking women - blissfully stoned, dancing like crazy. Hookups in the parking lot. What's her name? Do you ever shave your armpits? Didn't think so. Ferocious Terrapins as well as the welcome China Cat/I Know You Rider.

I'm glad that so many of the concerts, good nights and bad, will always be with us to enjoy. The early 70s acoustic stuff to me is gold!

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Dec 4, 2006 6:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1983 - trying to broaden my horizons

I dont know. I'd say from late 91 on that's true but musically 89-91 are pretty strong years imo.

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Poster: TJ1027 Date: Dec 4, 2006 7:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1983 - trying to broaden my horizons

I still come across people who never saw the Dead live or never got into the scene for whatever reason. Maybe it was the name that scared them off. Wherever I traveled - across the U.S. or while in the U.S. Navy, I always felt I was in a completely, welcome, safe, comforting, different world of fellow travelers when I heard the initial noodling of Garcia's guitar at any live show when as the band prepared to start their first number. Liftoff!

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Poster: BryanE Date: Dec 5, 2006 6:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1983 - trying to broaden my horizons

Just to carry on the conversation---
Good points on every front here. At the very end of the So Many Roads boxed set, there's a little sound bite where JG calls for a break in the rehearsal, joking about "what a grind" it was. But indeed, it had turned into a grind, and the guy was having a hard time finding the joy that performing in The Grateful Dead had once given him.

I think we can all agree that the observations we make with regard to the strength of the performances during the final years are all subjective. I do believe, though, that despite Jerry's failing health and enthusiasm, he still had it within him to deliver moments of sheer brilliance right up to the end. The title cut on the aforementioned boxed set reaches a level of absolute poignancy, just what you would expect from him, even though, sadly, it would be the last time he would be seen in front of the fans who loved him so much.

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Poster: TJ1027 Date: Dec 5, 2006 7:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1983 - trying to broaden my horizons

So Many Roads is such a beautiful song. Standing on the Moon makes me cry sometimes. Its especially meaningful considering my own age, 51, most younger fans in the 1980s DVDs now older too. I'm still partial to my favorite black t-shirts, now, because they make me look thinner.

It's odd seeing Bob Weir as a graybeard, when he seemed to be such a young kid wearing Polo-style shirts. He grew up in the band.

No doubt as we know, Jerry did rise above the "grind" to deliver performances we will always treasure. The tight harmonies.

What an umbelievable treat it was to be close to stand close to the stage and just watch Jerry's hands move. The eye contact, Jerry, Bob and Phil had when they found that special magical groove. Individually, or collectively, each member of the GD has created an incredible, diverse body of work that I'm always happy to get lost in.

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Dec 4, 2006 11:00am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1983 - trying to broaden my horizons

then check out this one also >> http://www.archive.org/details/gd83-10-15.beyer-ficca-brennan.ficca.20024.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: SactownTom Date: Dec 4, 2006 11:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1983 - trying to broaden my horizons

The Aug/Sept shows had some high points--Park West (great Spanish Jam); 3rd night (I think) at Red Rocks (HSF>Playin>D/S>UJB>Playin); Santa Fe (only Dew of the tour). Don't quote me on the details--but some pretty good stuff for '83.

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Poster: Cranky1 Date: Dec 4, 2006 11:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1983 - trying to broaden my horizons

Aha!! A Dead related post....don't forget 4/13/83 Patrick Gym U of Vermont.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Dec 4, 2006 11:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1983 - trying to broaden my horizons

Right on Cranky! I hoped someone would notice. I like talking about mundane things as much or more as the next guy ( or person I guess right ) but the reason I do it here is I share most people's obsession with the greatest band of all time.

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Poster: SDH2O Date: Dec 4, 2006 11:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1983 - trying to broaden my horizons

Just be sure to warn the listener about the cut out in "Eyes", can be traumatic.

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Poster: SDH2O Date: Dec 4, 2006 11:19am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1983 - trying to broaden my horizons

In no particular order, just a few of the ones that I personally enjoy from '83:

10/17/83 Olympic Center (Some say possibly best Sugaree ever)
10/14/83 Hartford (Dick's Picks #6, amazing Scarlet/Fire)
6/18/83 Saratoga (Entire 2nd Set is HUGE)
9/2/83 Boise (Day after St.Helens blew its top)
4/9/83 Hampton

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Poster: BlueMtnMan Date: Dec 4, 2006 12:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1983 - trying to broaden my horizons

Absolutely have to agree about the Sugaree at Olympic Center. If anyone's got one they consider better I'd like to hear about it.